Ren Zhengfei: no intention to serve the American people. They dont need us anymore

 Ren Zhengfei: no intention to serve the American people. They dont need us anymore

Ren Zhengfei: No, because we dont do the U.S. market, how can it have an impact? Were not going to serve the American people either, because they dont need us anymore.

Kristie Lu stout: has Huawei completely abandoned the U.S. market?

Ren Zhengfei: now we cant say we give up the American market completely. We should also strive for the rights granted by the US Constitution. But the American people refuse to let us provide services, such as at & T, Verizon and other operators do not purchase our products, even though we have a very friendly heart, it can only not provide services to the American people. The United States is a free society and should accommodate all kinds of world forces in an open spirit. But the United States is abandoning this spirit. Can it still lead the world in the future?

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1. Kristie Lu stout, CNN anchor and reporter in Hong Kong: Mr. Ren, thank you for inviting us to visit Huawei headquarters in Shenzhen. Im looking forward to talking to you today. My first question is that China has just launched the worlds largest 5g network, in which Huawei plays a very important role. But the consumers response to this is a little tepid. What do you think should be done to change this situation?

Ren Zhengfei: first, the network has just been built and is not perfect enough, and consumers can not fully feel the experience 5g brings them. It is estimated that the 5g mobile phones sold in the Chinese market will reach 200 million next year. It is estimated that everyones feelings will be full, especially when the 5g mobile phones with more than 1000 yuan are made, personal consumption will have some experience.

Second, 5g is the promotion of industrial automation and artificial intelligence, which requires a long process. Artificial intelligence is just emerging. It needs low delay, large bandwidth and large traffic. It needs a growing process to learn deeply and build models, so it wont be hot soon.

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2. Kristie Lu stout: Although Huawei is under great pressure from the United States, its business is still growing. Huaweis smartphone sales in the Chinese market are also increasing, and it is also winning new customers outside the Chinese market, including international operators. Can these prove that the US crackdown cannot defeat Huawei?

Ren Zhengfei: since Huawei was founded, its business philosophy is to firmly embrace globalization and serve the global society through the cooperation of global industrial chain, which is our original intention. But we have long recognized that there are also various uncertain contradictions between us and the United States, so we should also have some preparation ourselves. When the United States does not sell us things, we will not die, but we can still stand on our own. From now on, if we survive, there will be no problem in a short time. But Im very worried about whether we can continue to lead the world in 3-5 years. This is the question we need to study, which has been put on our agenda.

3. Kristie Lu stout: can Huawei maintain its leading position in the smartphone market? Now Huaweis smartphone sales are still growing, but the growth is limited to the Chinese market. Banning Huawei from using Google Apps does have a big impact on Huaweis overseas smartphone sales. If Huawei can only sell smartphones in China, would you like to see such results?

Ren Zhengfei: I dont think it will be such a result. If the US is clear that Google GMS ecosystem is not for us to use, then our own system will also be put into use. We believe that we have the ability to integrate the world ecosystem in 2-3 years.

Kristie Lu stout: so even without Google and other companies waiting for US government approval to do business with Huawei, are you confident that the business layout of Huaweis smart phones will be global in the future?

Ren Zhengfei: we firmly embrace globalization in the supply chain, welcome American companies to increase their supply to us, and then we use their parts in a large amount to form a win-win situation. When American companies cant supply us, we have alternatives. If the alternatives are mature and stable after coming out, the possibility of switching back is less. Therefore, this period is an important turning point for everyone. I hope the U.S. government will consider the interests of American companies. Huaweis attitude is to unswervingly embrace globalization and will not take the closed road of independent innovation and self-reliance in isolation. However, it cant be said that we dont work hard in all aspects. In case of the situation that American companies just dont supply spare parts, then we also need to survive.

4. Kristie Lu stout: Microsoft has just obtained the permission from the U.S. government to continue to supply goods to China. Do you think Google can also get permission?

Ren Zhengfei: Microsofts permission is conducive to the rapid development of Microsoft system in the world. Because the production volume of our PC, server and other systems is still very large, we will support the use of Intel, Microsoft systems, and increase the development of this aspect.

We have also made Kunpeng chips and Taishan servers ourselves. In fact, we are not committed to the whole society. We are in case of no supply, our own system is stable. If we have sufficient supply security, the second system as backup is not needed, because there is no security, we have made a backup system. You should know that it is extremely difficult to make CPU in the world. We need to spend a lot of money, material and human resources to realize replacement and backup. How much will it cost for a poor company to make such a large spare wheel? Some things have to be done, not willingly.

Therefore, we welcome the open attitude of Microsoft and Intel. Originally, the whole world is that they occupy the largest market share. If they suddenly say they dont want this part of the world, they need to give some to other technology systems, I cant thank them. Im sorry for them.

Kristie Lu stout: if Google cant get the license to continue to supply goods to China, does Huawei have a backup plan?

Ren Zhengfei: Yes, on a large scale.

Kristie Lu stout: have you received any definite information that Googles application has been rejected by the U.S. government?

Ren Zhengfei: No.

Kristie Lu stout: Huawei is now the second largest smartphone manufacturer in the world. Without Google, is it possible for Huawei to be the first in the world?

Ren Zhengfei: I think it will not be a problem, but it will take time.

Kristielu stout: time? But without Google, how can we break through the overseas market?

Ren Zhengfei: when I say time, I mean overseas market. Because next year and the next year we will be able to return to the overseas market. We have the ability and determination.

5. Kristie Lu stout: lets talk about 5g now. The US has been pressuring its allies, including recently Canada, the UK and Germany, not to work with Huawei on 5g. Are the countries I just mentioned open to cooperation with Huawei on 5g?

Ren Zhengfei: Yes, they are open. All countries in the world are mainly comparing whose 5g is better. Operators know it. Their government officials also know that only a few politicians have their ideas from a political point of view. However, there are still some people from the perspective of realism.

Kristie Lu stout: now some countries have rejected Huaweis 5g technology, such as Japan, the United States and Australia. But at the same time, some countries are firm supporters of Huawei 5g. So on 5g, there seems to be such a sign of division. Do you think the 5g technology war between China and the United States may cause further division of 5g, so that the real value of 5g cannot be realized?

Ren Zhengfei: the world is very large, and it is impossible to form a unified supplier situation. It is normal for multiple suppliers to supply to the society. But there is only one 5g standard. If someone wants to establish another standard, it cannot be connected with other standards, what should he do? Therefore, even if some countries do not use our equipment, they will still use the equipment of other manufacturers, and eventually they must be connected to promote the progress of human society. Its not just Huawei that promotes human society. 5g belongs to the world, to all of us, and to all of us.

6. Kristielu stout: as technology becomes more and more complex, how important is trust?

Ren Zhengfei: as technology becomes more and more complex, technical ability is more important than trust. Because only trust, no ability, cant make a product is worthless. You dont trust when you make products, but there are always people who trust. When they use them, they will promote the economic development of this country. This will give a reminder to countries that dont use them, if you dont use them, they will fall behind.. For example, when the British invented the train, the social evaluation of the train was also negative. For the first time, China used trains and thought they were horrible. Empress Dowager Cixi does not take the train carriage when she takes the train. She wants to take the chair in front of the locomotive. She said, no one can surpass the emperor.. But the train has brought great progress to the society, and the country that originally blocked the development of the train is also the train everywhere.

Therefore, if anything is advanced, it must benefit mankind in a region. When they are benefited, people will feel that this new technology is good for them, rather than repelling it. Textile machinery was first invented in England. At that time, workers also took textile machinery as a threat of terror and smashed it with a hammer. But up to now, the best fabric in the world is made in Britain, which shows that the promotion of advanced technology to a country has set an example for neighboring countries. I think the power of this kind of example will be infinite in the future, and people will compare and identify.

Kristie Lu stout: Recently, the Federal Communications Commission of the United States issued a regulation on Huawei, which essentially means that I dont trust Huawei, so rural telecom operators cant use the funds or subsidies of the federal government to buy Huawei equipment and build networks. We also know that Huawei plans to fight this decision. Why do you think its important to do so? How are you going to fight?

Ren Zhengfei: Huawei is a commercial company. Its purpose is to provide good information services for people around the world. We are not focused on political purposes. Based on this principle, in Africa, in the mountains, in the rainforests In many difficult areas, we all go to provide services.

Of course, we are also willing to provide services to the American people. At that time, we wanted to provide services to large operators in the United States, but if we could not provide services to large operators, we would provide services to some small operators to reflect our value. Therefore, the decision of the U.S. government violates the governments policy of serving the people, which is a problem to be solved through communication between the U.S. government and its people. We are just a supplier and do not intervene in solving the conflict. But it is unconstitutional for the U.S. government to do so, because the U.S. Constitution says that it is to serve the people.

Kristie Lu stout: so your point is that the U.S. government is putting political and trade wars on top of bridging the digital divide, right?

Ren Zhengfei: in my opinion, politics and economy can be separated and should not be confused. The biggest beneficiary of economic globalization is the United States, which is the most powerful technology country in the world and needs to sell the best goods to the whole world. If your goods dont sell all over the world, there will be others around the world who will make substitutes, and the United States will lose that part of the market. Therefore, the United States should have enough confidence that no one in the world can surpass you, at least in a short time. Of course, this short time may be decades or nearly a hundred years.

The United States is very strong in innovation mechanism and innovation power, and it is also leading in all kinds of judicial systems. So many excellent talents rush into the United States. At present, other countries in the world cant match it. You see, many excellent talents want to settle down in the United States, so we cant get first-class talents, maybe second-class talents or third-class talents, but we unite on the basis of this kind of talents, a few people, dozens of people together, is equivalent to a excellent talent, so our number is much more than that of American companies, but we have made great achievements Not much bigger than American companies. In this way, the United States should continue to lead the world in science and technology, and globalization is good for the United States. But the U.S. government is slowly moving away from globalization, which will give up a lot of markets to others, and grass and bamboo shoots will flourish, and these countries will replace the U.S. in the future.

7. Kristie Lu stout: the core of China US science and technology war is the lack of trust. The U.S. government doesnt trust Huawei, believing that Huawei equipment provides a back door for the Chinese government, which they still believe. What measures can Huawei take to eliminate doubts and rebuild trust?

Ren Zhengfei: first, the issue of the United States should be a false proposition, because Huawei has not experienced similar events in decades. I dont think we can persuade the United States either, but its allies can. Because they have used Huaweis equipment for one or two decades, and have a thorough understanding of what kind of company Huawei is, these operators will persuade their national government to let Huawei go and give Huawei space.

Second, Huaweis equipment is very advanced, and its energy consumption and bandwidth indicators, especially in terms of volume and weight, are difficult for other companies in the world to achieve. For example, when our 5g equipment is installed, you can go to the base station by hand, without the need of tower, engineering crane Its amazing that the construction cost of these things can be reduced very low. There are many old houses in Europe. Its impossible to build a big tower on them. The base station can only be installed on the roof. If its too heavy, the house cant bear it. Our equipment is very suitable for Europe. With such good functions and light weight, these countries will definitely choose it. Therefore, I think the choice of customers will beat the voice of the US government. Although the voice of the US is very loud, customers will still have their own determination.

8. Kristie Lu stout: in this issue, there are problems of trust in Huawei and the Chinese government. If the Chinese government requires Huawei to transfer data, Huawei must transfer data, right?

Ren Zhengfei: first, the Chinese government has never made such a voice. Second, Yang Jiechi, a member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and the office of the Foreign Affairs Working Committee of the CPC Central Committee, said at the Munich Security Conference that Chinese enterprises are absolutely not allowed to install back doors. Premier Li Keqiang also said at the NPCs reply to reporters in March this year that Chinese enterprises are not allowed to install back doors and steal information, which is the official interpretation of the law. Third, Huawei has no access to data. Huawei sells its bare equipment to operators, who only have data when they operate the equipment. However, operators operate under the management of a sovereign state. They should obey the laws of the sovereign state and not violate the laws of the sovereign state. We dont have access to data, and we dont need them. In this sense, the U.S. cant rely on that. Just like cars, cars can be used for bad things. What truckers are supposed to be able to say has the final say, and can not blame automobile manufacturers. In the same way, we are actually a company that makes trucks.

9. Kristie Lu stout: on December 1, 2018, at the request of the United States, your daughter Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada and has been under house arrest for almost a year. Is this a big blow to you personally? Especially as a father, how does it affect you?

Ren Zhengfei: as a father, of course, I will care for my children, and I will also love my children. But her childrens experience of wind and rain and suffering is good for her life. In the Sino US trade war, she became a little ant under the collision of two big balls. In such a situation, I think she should be proud that two countries in the world fight with her as a chip.

Secondly, because Meng Wanzhou has never committed a crime, the accusations of the United States are not true, and the law will come to a fair conclusion sooner or later, so her mentality is relatively balanced. Now her mother and her husband take turns to go to Canada to accompany her and ease her mood; she is also studying, reading and painting at ordinary times To adjust her mood, she has the patience to wait until the Canadian law solves the problem fairly, fairly and transparently.

Kristie Lu stout: are you confident that she will not be extradited to the United States?

Ren Zhengfei: I believe there will be no problem. And we fight in the United States. We are confident to win the lawsuit in the East District of New York, which proves that our company has the ability to compete with the U.S. government in law, and the U.S. government cant bully us at will.

Kristie Lu stout: when was the last time you talked to your daughter Meng Wanzhou?

Ren Zhengfei: three or four days ago.

Kristie Lu stout: how often do you usually communicate?

Ren Zhengfei: I dont have the right time. Sometimes I transfer some funny stories on the Internet to her. Ill call her to say hello.

Kristie Lu stout: during Meng Wanzhous house arrest in Canada, did your father daughter relationship become closer?

Ren Zhengfei: Yes, closer. In the past, Meng Wanzhou didnt call me or send me a text message once a year. Of course, we were happy when we knew that our children were struggling. Now our relationship has become closer.

Kristie Lu stout: do you think the experience of house arrest in Canada will make her stronger? Will the test she is going through now improve her leadership and make her work better for Huawei when she returns to Shenzhen?

Ren Zhengfei: first of all, these tribulations will have a great impact on ones will and make her more mature. However, when she returns to Huawei, she will not be particularly used, because she is only the CFO and only does financial work. Leaders of our company must have a technical background, without which there will be no strategic insight. People without strategic insight will lead the company, which will gradually lose its clear direction and competitiveness. Therefore, she came back only to do the original work.

Kristie Lu stout: during the house arrest, is she still working for Huawei in some capacity? If so, what kind of project is she in charge of?

Ren Zhengfei: her current work is online processing, and she has no daily management. We have arranged for Liang Hua to act as the acting CFO and have already undertaken the work. Liang Hua used to be CFO, and Meng Wanzhou took his class to be CFO. Later, Liang Hua became chairman. When Meng Wanzhou is in danger, Liang Hua turns back and acts as CFO, assuming the leadership responsibility of CFO, and Meng Wanzhou sometimes expresses his opinions through the Internet. This is probably the case at present.

10. Kristie Lu stout: do you try to visit Meng Wanzhou in Canada?

Ren Zhengfei: it depends on Trumps approval. If trump invited me to Canada, I would.

Kristie Lu stout: President trump said before that if it helps to solve the Sino US trade war, he may intervene in the issue of Meng Wanzhou. Does Huawei still welcome such a gesture?

Ren Zhengfei: if trump can intervene in solving the problem of Meng Wanzhou, it shows that the problem of Meng Wanzhou is not a crime, but a problem that can be traded. The terms of the deal are that the Chinese government must make big concessions to the United States in trade, and then use Meng Wanzhou as a conditional exchange.

In my opinion, China is still a poor country in general. There are tens of millions of people still living in poverty. According to the UN poverty line standard, the cost of living is US $1.9 per day, while the Chinese poverty line standard is US $1.2. If according to the UN standard, the number of our poor people is more than the tens of millions announced by our country. Next year, our country will strive to lift tens of millions of poor people out of poverty. If we want to give greater terms of trade to the United States, it is to take the money of the poor in exchange for the freedom of Meng Wanzhou. We will not consider doing so. Maybe you havent been to the west of China. Some people in the West are still very poor. I can find some pictures of poor children to show you. If we exchange the money of the poor for our freedom, we will have no conscience.

We are confident that we have no crime. We believe that the laws of Canada will enable us to win the lawsuit. Of course, we also believe in the laws of the United States. We will also win the lawsuit in the Eastern District Court of New York.

11. Kristie Lu stout: two Canadians, Michael kovrig and Michael spavor, were detained in China two days after your daughter was detained. But their situation is different from that of Meng Wanzhou. They cant make phone calls, see their families, and have no freedom of movement. Have you thought about their treatment? Do you think they have been treated fairly?

Ren Zhengfei: I still dont know the names and people of the two Canadians detained by China, because it has nothing to do with us. What we care about is that Meng Wanzhous house arrest is treated with tolerance. We believe that Meng Wanzhou should be released. If the United States believes that Huawei has a company lawsuit, we can file a lawsuit in the Eastern District Court of New York. Meng Wanzhou is a personal problem. Meng Wanzhou is not Huawei, and Huawei does not need Meng Wanzhou to assume the companys responsibilities. We are confident that we will launch legal response in the Eastern District Court of New York, so this is two different things. We dont know about the behavior between China and Canada, because we dont represent the country.

Kristie Lu stout: as a father, you can still communicate with Meng Wanzhou now. And you said that during the period when she was under house arrest, the relationship between your father and daughter actually became closer. Do you think that for Michael spavor and Michael kovrig, two Canadians detained in China, their father should be treated the same way?

Ren Zhengfei: because we dont know about these two people or about law enforcement, we cant comment on this matter.

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12. Kristie Lu stout: lets talk about your leadership style. You are the founder of Huawei and a former PLA officer. In your speeches to Huawei employees, you often use military language. Do you sometimes feel that you are a general, leading Huawei to fight a war to defend the future?

Ren Zhengfei: first of all, Im not a general. Ive never been given a military rank. At that time, I was only a junior officer in the Chinese army. Of course, I could be a little higher than George W. Bush in the army, because he was a lieutenant, a company level cadre, and I was a battalion and regiment level cadre. But in China, I was really a junior officer.

Second, as an enterprise, we need to be organized and disciplined, not just scattered. We learn from the West Point Military Academy of the United States. I have met the old headmaster of West Point Military School, and I said to him, when I was young, I worshipped West Point Military School in the United States. I worshipped the management and education methods of West Point Military School and the hard work of West Point people.. We used a lot of western spirit and methods in the early construction of the company, especially the elimination of the last place, but the impact of the former elimination of the last place was too big, and ordinary employees were also included in the elimination system of the last place, which was too cruel. Now we understand that we need to eliminate managers, not ordinary soldiers. By eliminating managers and transferring the pressure to their management, we will make progress.

Facing the future, we are in a very difficult period. We cannot assume that it is the current external environment. If the United States changes the external conditions again, what should we do? There must be a response plan and organizational behavior. Of course, sometimes when some nouns are not easy to express, some military words are borrowed. In fact, they are just nouns, not real military organizations.

13. Kristielu stout: your leadership style is very suitable for Huawei. What leadership suggestions do you have for Hong Kong leaders to help them end the current unrest and protests?

Ren Zhengfei: because Hong Kong and the mainland are one country, two systems, they are on the capitalist road, the mainland is on the socialist road, and the two systems are different. First, Hong Kongs problems still need to be solved by itself, and any of our suggestions are meaningless. Second, the Hong Kong issue is not closely related to us. We are now concerned with how to mend our own hole, not the Hong Kong issue. Because we are not politicians, we dont care much about Hong Kong. We just dont go shopping in Hong Kong now.

Kristie Lu stout: last weekend, the pro democracy party in Hong Kong won a landslide victory. What do you think of this? What does China think of this? Will this aggravate the friction between Hong Kong and Mainland China?

Ren Zhengfei: the behaviors allowed under the legal framework of one country, two systems are legal and effective. The fundamental problem for Hong Kong is how to move towards prosperity. Under the circumstances of prosperity, it is the most important mission for all leaders to share this prosperity with all citizens, rather than a political term to show that it is democratic and undemocratic. How to create prosperity in Hong Kong is the main consideration of todays leaders and future leaders in Hong Kong. Isnt it our wish that the people are all rich?

Kristie Lu stout: do you have any sympathy for the protesters in Hong Kong and what they want to achieve?

Ren Zhengfei: no sympathy, because I dont understand. I firmly oppose violence, which is not right. People can express their thoughts freely, but it is not advisable to use violence, and it is not allowed in the United States.

Kristie Lu stout: are you sympathetic to those who protest peacefully and to the goals they pursue?

Ren Zhengfei: there is no different feeling, because I havent studied their demands, I dont understand what they are doing, what they ask, and I dont know. I just said that this kind of peaceful way under one country, two systems is allowed by the system, and there is no understanding of them. But it is not advisable to do extreme acts to damage the environment.

Kristie Lu stout: now some lawmakers in the United States are fighting for Hong Kong. They are directly involved in the Hong Kong issue, which leads to a more complicated situation in the trade war, technology war between China and the United States and Huaweis future development in the United States. What do you think of this?

Ren Zhengfei: I have taken note of Mr. Rubios recent remarks. Our Ministry of foreign affairs protested against us interference in Hong Kongs internal affairs. Mr. Rubio said that US legislative interference in Hong Kong is US internal affairs, which I think is a big joke.

14. Kristie Lu stout: Huawei is to rebuild various partnerships and businesses in the United States. Now, does a series of protests in Hong Kong and Hong Kong make Huaweis reconstruction in the United States more difficult?

Ren Zhengfei: Hong Kong has nothing to do with Huaweis business reconstruction. Hong Kong is a commercial trade center, not a science and technology center. It is impossible for Hong Kong to provide us with any products and parts, so Hong Kong will not affect any international cooperation.

Kristie Lu stout: but if President trump signs the Hong Kong Bill of human rights and democracy and turns it into law, it will affect the Sino US trade war, and then affect Huaweis future, right?

Ren Zhengfei: No, because we dont do the U.S. market, how can it have an impact? Were not going to serve the American people either, because they dont need us anymore.

Kristie Lu stout: has Huawei completely abandoned the U.S. market?

Ren Zhengfei: now we cant say we give up the American market completely. We should also strive for the rights granted by the US Constitution. But the American people refuse to let us provide services, such as at & T, Verizon and other operators do not purchase our products, even though we have a very friendly heart, it can only not provide services to the American people. The United States is a free society and should accommodate all kinds of world forces in an open spirit. But the United States is abandoning this spirit. Can it still lead the world in the future?

15. Kristielu stout: Mr. Ren, you have been serving Huawei for more than 30 years, making Huawei the worlds largest telecom equipment provider and the worlds second largest smartphone manufacturer. Is the trade war and science and technology war between China and the United States preventing you from retiring? You must be tired after all these years, arent you?

Ren Zhengfei: the U.S. trade war and technology war have nothing to do with Huawei itself. As for whether I can retire or not, I also hope to be able to solve the survival and development problems of the company in a proper time. After these problems are on a certain track, I will gradually reduce my workload. In fact, at present, I have little work in the company, mainly the executive board and chairman in office are in charge of daily work. Sometimes they ask me what do you think of this matter? they dont ask me, and I dont know. My role in the company has been desalinated, and then desalinated, there will be No. So, I dont worry about how to quit or how to quit. I may not have this plan in a short time. I will tell you when I have a plan.

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