How strong is Huawei Shengsheng 910 chip to match Google Yingweida

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 How strong is Huawei Shengsheng 910 chip to match Google Yingweida


After the meeting, Xu Zhijun received an exclusive interview with the media on a small scale, including the surging news.

After the meeting, Xu Zhijun, chairman of Huaweis rotating board, laughed at the small-scale media interview, including the surging news. He said that Huaweis chip success was due to its lack of money and simple decision-making. Last year, when the financial report was released, some voices said that Huawei did not make Tencent and Ali made a lot of money, but Ren Zhengfei criticized us. Much more money means insufficient strategic investment and various kinds of writing reviews.

He roughly estimated that Huaweis investment in AI was $1.5 billion. In terms of human cost of AI engineers, it would need 5,000 people. AI talents are very expensive, almost one needs 300,000 dollars.

Huawei has only been seen releasing new chips, but its internal operation has not been disclosed before. Xu Zhijun introduced: The internal organization of the early chip development is very simple, decided to set up a team, a chip is a team, which is simpler than 5G research and development. After setting up a team, choose a leader to lead a team, and the rest is their business, we dont know.

Xu Zhijun said that whether Huaweis AI architecture, Leonardo Da Vinci or Rising Chip, is not top-down, but bottom-up.

We are publishing a book calledRising Processor Architecture and Programming.I wrote a program about how this chip makes decisions. Some things are not so great. What are the strategies and deployments? Just like Apple started to make the iPod, the iPad and the iPhone dont think too much about making products. They come down in one continuous line. Xu Zhijun said.

Rising 910 pairs of Google and Nvidia AI arithmetic chips

Huawei said Shengteng 910 is the most powerful AI processor.

According to the information released by Huawei, the actual test results show that Shengteng 910 fully meets the design specifications in terms of computing power, that is, the semi-precision (FP16) computing power reaches 256 Tera-FLOPS, and the integer precision (INT8) computing power reaches 512 Tera-OPS. Importantly, the power required to achieve the specifications is only 310W, which is significantly lower than the 350 W of the design specifications.

Xu Zhijun said: the overall technical performance of Shengteng 910 exceeded expectations. As the most powerful AI processor, it deserves it. We have used Shengteng 910 for actual AI training tasks. For example, in the training of typical ResNet50 network, Rising 910 cooperates with MindSpore, and shows nearly twice the performance improvement compared with the existing mainstream training card cooperating with TensorFlow.

Xu Zhijun said that the core of the promotion is Huaweis self-developed Da Vinci architecture. From IP to instruction set, Da Vinci was created by Huaweis experts. Da Vinci architecture can be large or small, covering the whole scene. Huaweis MindSpore is also used to support the Da Vinci architecture to support the whole scene.

Xu Zhijun also bluntly said that Shengteng 910 pairs of standard Google and Yingweida AI arithmetic chips, training AI model, Shengteng series includes AI chips and AIP, in which Nano, TINY, Lite series are IP, they can be embedded in Huaweis own chips, but also in all other products that need AI capabilities.

Google only provides cloud services, not board cards. In addition, AI chips are generally not available in the market, usually in the form of board cards, servers, cloud services for customers. In terms of Huaweis business logic, Huawei also focuses on board and cloud services. Xu Zhijun said.

Shengteng 910s training service will be available in China in September and in the world in the first quarter of next year.

Xu emphasized that Huawei is layered and open, Shengteng chip is independent, MindSpore is also independent, but there is synergy between chip layer and framework layer. Shengteng chips support not only MindSpore, but also other frameworks such as Baidu Paddle Paddle.

Huawei announced at the launch that MindSpore will open source next year. Xu Zhijun said that open source is for the sake of ecology, let everyone do AI training, hope that all developers participate in it, further make this framework better, can adapt to more scenarios. As for MindSpores open source strategy, it is not clear yet, it will be synchronized when it is released in 2020.

It is reported that Huawei Cloud AI will provide customers with abundant economic resources after the rise of 910 for commercial use. Through MindSpore, scientists can accomplish AI operator development more efficiently (such as automatic differential function), shorten the development cycle and reduce the development workload; at the same time, MindSpore can exert the maximum computing potential of Rising Chip. In this way, hardware and software collaboration can make better use of chip computing, and strive to solve the expensive and difficult problems faced in the process of AI application, reduce the threshold of AI computing, and realize GSP AI. As of the end of June 2019, Huawei cloud EI can provide 59 services and 159 functions.

Rising will go no return like Kirin

When asked whether Shengteng and Mindsore were related to Huaweis Hongmeng system, Xu Zhijun said that they could be said to be related or not. If Hongmeng OS runs in the CPU core, thats okay. If it runs in the Da Vinci core, thats okay.

Xu Zhijun also said that Huawei will release the autopilot chip MDC610 next year, followed by 620 and 630.

Because of the U.S. ban, it is impossible for ARM to continue to support Huawei.

Xu Zhijun said that the problem of ARM is not a problem in essence. Huawei has the permanent authorization of ARMV8. It can define a part of the instruction set and provide products and services to customers. There is an ARM core in Shengteng 910, but it is indispensable. It is a pure AI processor. It is SoC, the main body of Shengteng 910 or Daffin. Strange Architecture Core. When asked whether the continuous iteration of ARM updates will have an impact on Huaweis next chip updates. Xu Zhijuns tone is very relaxed: The whole world is not only ARM, but also RISC-V. RISC-V is completely open, and there is no way out. Of course, Huawei still hopes to cooperate with ARM. At the press conference, in response to the recent 90-day extension of the ban to Huawei by the United States, Xu Zhijun said that the 90-day extension had no impact on Huawei. Huawei had become accustomed to living under the entity list and believed that it was unlikely to come out of this way of life and work. Huawei companies and employees were ready to live in this state for a long time. Deposit. There will be no impact or delay on the future launch of Shengsheng products. Source: Wang Fengzhi _NT2541

Xu Zhijun said that the problem of ARM is not a problem in essence. Huawei has the permanent authorization of ARMV8. It can define a part of the instruction set and provide products and services to customers. There is an ARM core in Shengteng 910, but it is indispensable. It is a pure AI processor. It is SoC, the main body of Shengteng 910 or Daffin. Strange Architecture Core.

When asked whether the continuous iteration of ARM updates will have an impact on Huaweis next chip updates.

At the press conference, in response to the recent 90-day extension of the ban to Huawei by the United States, Xu Zhijun said that the 90-day extension had no impact on Huawei. Huawei had become accustomed to living under the entity list and believed that it was unlikely to come out of this way of life and work. Huawei companies and employees were ready to live in this state for a long time. Deposit. There will be no impact or delay on the future launch of Shengsheng products.