In this 120,000-word interview, Ren Zhengfei answered 40 questions, including his personal growth experience, the blockade of Huawei by the United States, and a series of hot issues such as Huaweis 5G communication equipment.
Asked if he had ever met President Trump, Ren Zhengfei said, What am I going to do with him? Its okay to see President Macron.
But if Trump was coming, would he welcome him with open doors? Ren Zhengfeis answer is: Of course, we can discuss how the world should be open, cooperative and win-win. Maybe he will change his way of thinking.
In an interview, Ren reiterated that the telecommunications equipment Huawei sells to its customers is a bare device. Like the tap and tap, the terminal is like a tap and the connecting device is like a water pipe. The flow of water or oil is determined by the information system, and the network is controlled in the hands of operators. Its not our decision, we cant get data. We dare promise not to install the back door. We hope you will interview American companies and let them sign agreements with the French government as well.
The Hongmeng system is not used in mobile phones as you might imagine. It is not intended to replace Google when it is built. If Googles high-end system is not open to Huawei, will Hongmeng shift some ecology? It is not yet fully defined.
Talking about the operating system Hongmeng developed by Huawei for itself, Ren Zhengfei said that Huawei is an operating system for the interconnection of all things and the future of the intelligent society.
We have thousands of circuit boards, all of which have operating systems. Hongmeng Operating System is an operating system for definite delay system. The end-to-end processing delay of the system is accurate to 5 milliseconds or even lower milliseconds or sub-milliseconds. It is useful for the automatic production of the Internet of Things to control only such a small delay. Ren Zhengfei said that, for example, the time delay of gear turning around is several milliseconds. If it is not accurate, otherwise the gear will come, and the gear will not be able to occlude.
In response to questions from reporters, he also said that he had not compared the speed of the Hongmeng operating system with that of Android and Apple systems, but that it was possible to be faster than them.
Compared with Apple and Android, our disadvantage is that we have no ecology, just a pure technical system to operate our telecommunications network. Ren Zhengfei said that it will take many years to build an ecology.
Regarding the fulfillment of the 5G contract, Ren reiterated that there would be no problem. Moreover, the 5G equipment we provide is the best in the world, and no one in the world can catch up in two or three years. There will be no problem with supply, and the companys production is still booming.
As for the technological blockade of Huawei by the United States, Ren Zhengfei said that the wheel of history is rolling forward, and no one can stop it.
However, Ren Zhengfei also said in reply to the reporters question, I am not a lion, I want to find a corner to hide like a rabbit, but now I cant hide, I dont know how to do it.
The following is the interview record:
1. Adian Gerneller: Please talk about your childhood, especially your experience in Guizhou. Now Huawei is a very beautiful modern company. I want to know what you used to be like.
Ren Zhengfei: From primary school to second grade in junior high school, I grew up in Zhenning County, Guizhou Province, which is a town where minorities gather. The customs and habits of ethnic minorities are very important tourist attractions today, but our living conditions there were very poor.
Adian Gennell: Did you suffer as a child? ?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, it must be living in poverty. But when we were young, we lived happily because we didnt know that French bread was delicious. I didnt leave that town when I was a child. I grew up in the area about 15 kilometers in diameter. There was no comparison. I dont know what happiness is. So we feel very happy.
Later, my father moved to Duyun, a small central town in an ethnic minority area. I lived there from junior three to senior three. In my eyes at that time, Duyun was a very modern city, because it had two-storey buildings. When our older sisters took us to a small department store, we saw two floors and thought it was great. Big sister knows more than we do, so I dont have an eye for jokes. How can I think that all of them are even big cities? Its just a little bigger than the town. Later, I went to college and left Guizhou. I have never worked or lived in Guizhou since then.
Guillaume Graham: Did you have a short meal when you were a kid?
Ren Zhengfei: You should ask me if I had enough when I was a child. At that time, it was normal for us to have insufficient food. We often had insufficient food. It was accidental for us to have enough food.
2. Adian Gennell: Did you think that you would be in a geopolitical war after all these years?
Ren Zhengfei: Surely not. We climbed step by step like climbing stairs. We didnt know what the second floor looked like. Therefore, the reason why we hope Chinas education can be reformed today is to let the children in the countryside know what the second floor looks like, and then, step by step, climb purposefully. We do not have the guidance of famous teachers, noble people, step by step climb the stairs and climb the second floor, only then know that the scenery is infinite. Today, the Internet has given rural children a great vision, but when we were young, we were very closed.
3. Guillaume Graham: Many people are interested in your previous experience in the army. What exactly do you do in the army?
Ren Zhengfei: I worked as an engineer in the army. The first project was in Liaoyang, Northeast China. It was built for a chemical fibre factory imported from Desinib Spassim Company, France. This was a large, very modern chemical fiber factory in China at that time, with a high level of automation. This photo is taken with a French engineer.
4. Guillaume Graham: Your daughter is still in Canada. How does this affect you personally or Huawei?
Ren Zhengfei: Mengs late boat is not guilty. Canadas arrest procedure for her is inappropriate. However, we believe that Canada is a country ruled by law, and it will always be released if we give clear evidence. We waited patiently and went through legal procedures.
5. Adian Gennell: The background of this incident is that some European and American countries are very afraid of Chinas expansion. Do you think China is expanding?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont think China has always been an expanding country. For thousands of years, China has been a closed and self-contained country; now China pursues open reform, the main purpose of which is to bring in the outside world. Chinas going out, mainly in commercial trade, is going to the world in the form of commerce, not in the form of politics, and not in the form of ideology.
Adian Gerneller: In the Enlightenment, Zheng Hes fleet was three times larger than Columbuss fleet. Halfway through, there were some political voices in China that ordered the fleet to turn back to China. Is there a situation in which China is going out half way around like Zheng Hes going to the Western Ocean?
Ren Zhengfei: This story is interesting because Zheng He and Columbus went to the West for different purposes. At that time, China considered itself very strong. Zheng He took many gifts to visit various countries along the way, not for the purpose of commercial expansion. Columbus went to the Western Ocean. His main purpose was to find gold, spices and wealth. Zheng Hes goal of going to the ocean was not clear and there was no driving force, so he did not leave after he had gone half way. The purpose of Chinas open reform is very clear, prospering the motherland and integrating into the world. Therefore, open reform will not be abandoned halfway. Columbuss goal of going to the Western Ocean was clear, and he did find wealth, so he had a sustained impetus. From Europe to Asia, 3.5 million ships have sunk, and economic globalization has actually begun hundreds of years ago. Europeans have brought English, French, Portuguese and Spanish to the whole world with the goal of seeking wealth and expanding commercial trade; they have brought culture, philosophy and industrialization to the whole world, hoping that the ideology of the local people will be the same as theirs, so many missionaries have gone to all countries in the world piously. Missionary, so Christianity and Catholicism are all over the world.
I am not only touched by the struggle of European businessmen, but also infinitely worshipped when I see small churches in the primeval forests of Africa and the Sahara Desert. There were so many missionaries sailing across the sea in Europe. At that time, the tools for sailing across the sea were very simple, and it was a very small boat. Perhaps only a few per cent of them will survive when they reach the coast of Africa; they will suffer more casualties when they go to the virgin forests; and when he arrives at a small village, he will live there and build a chapel and preach there. After preaching, they will never go back. If they want to get out of the virgin forest and go to the sea again, they may die again. Without their centuries of cultural transmission, African languages (English, French, Portuguese) would not be universal, and it would be very difficult to develop Africa today. When Europe went to develop the world trade market and preached, they experienced more hardships than we do today.
I have been to a very marginal rural area in China, Puer, a village of Lahu ethnic minority. One or two hundred years ago, missionaries brought guitars into this village. This is the cultural influence of a small village. This is a village of music. What you see now is the video I shot in April this year. The missionaries brought about cultural popularization and developed backward areas. I can send you this video if you need it.
Adian Gennell: Great. Missionaries brought guitars to this place and Chinese brought 5G to the world.
Ren Zhengfei: Thats the next step. At that time, musicians all over the world could play a song at the same time, because the delay was very small.
6. Guillaume Graham: Huawei is a very magical enterprise. It has developed so fast in a very short time and has a collective and decentralized power system. Id like to ask you what motivates you to get up every morning.
Ren Zhengfei: I cant sleep. I want to have breakfast. Our power structure is a system of delegated authority and central supervision. Let the people who can hear gunfire have the right to call for gunfire, and the cost of gunfire should be accounted for.
7. Adian Gennell: Now Westerners are more afraid of China. You say that China is not an expanding country. History also proves that. Do you understand Westernersnervous attitude when they talk about China?
Ren Zhengfei: In fact, the United States exaggerates this geopolitical influence. Such exaggerated propaganda, coupled with the fact that many people have never been to China, will lead to misunderstanding. Chinas ability to sail warships around the world like the United States does not exist. I personally believe that China has established a defense system. China is more afraid of the United States than of Europe.
Adian Gennell: Why do you think China is afraid of the United States?
Ren Zhengfei: Because the United States wants to dominate the world, Europe is politically pluralistic and not aggressive. Europe mainly wants to make money by doing business. China also wants to buy more European luxury goods. China welcomes Europe to make money, otherwise it will fly to Paris to buy things. Chinas constant tax cuts on luxury goods are to welcome European goods. And China and Europe are complementary economies, so China needs Europe and Europe needs China. If we use the one belt and one way connection, European goods will come to China, and Chinas goods will go to Europe. If the car goes halfway without oil, the Middle East and Central Asia will be the energy base to fuel our economy. In this way, from Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia to the Far East, it has become a large economic sector. If China forms a free trade area with Japan and South Korea, the total economic volume of this sector will be much larger than that of the United States. Then, it will be difficult for the United States to dominate the world, and it wants us not to unite.
8. Guillaume Graham: In yesterdays meeting, you said that Huawei was ready to sign an agreement with other countries that Huawei has no backdoor and no espionage on the Internet. Now is Huawei ready to sign this agreement with France?
Ren Zhengfei: You can sign it at any time.
Guillaume Graham: Have you ever met President Trump?
Ren Zhengfei: What am I going to do with him? Its okay to see President Macron.
ADIAN GENELLE: The Chinese government has promulgated the Intelligence Act, which requires enterprises to cooperate with the intelligence work of the country. How can we sign an agreement with France in this case?
Ren Zhengfei: Then try it. Not only do we sign with French companies, but we also urge the Chinese government to sign with the French government.
9. Guillaume Graham: What is the relationship between you or Huawei and the Chinese government? Some people believe that Huawei has developed so rapidly with the help of the Chinese government.
Ren Zhengfei: We are under the jurisdiction of Chinas law. We pay taxes to the Chinese government according to law. We make our own decisions in the operation of the company. We dont have a penny of capital from the state. Our annual report is audited by KPMG. Now what you see is the annual report of 2018.
10, Adian Gennell: This is capital. If the central government wants to give them information from routers and network devices, how can it refuse?
Ren Zhengfei: First, we should be responsible for our customers; second, the Chinese government has never asked for this.
What we sell to our customers is a bare device, like tap and tap. The terminal is like tap, and the connecting device is like pipe. Whether water or oil flows inside is determined by information systems, and the network is controlled by operators, not by us. We cant get data. We dare to promise that there is no backdoor installed. We hope you will interview American companies and let them sign agreements with the French government as well.
Adian Gerneller: Do you think neither Google nor Facebook can promise?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know.
Adian Gennell: What about Cisco?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know.
11. Guillaume Graham: Have you ever wanted to get information about customers and users for some business reasons? ?
Ren Zhengfei: What do I want this information for?
Guillaume Graham: Because 21st century information is like oil.
Ren Zhengfei: Oil is of no use to us. What we want is petrol, which can be bought at the gas station. Customers original information is useless to us. The information that is open on the Internet and in the society is valuable to us.
12. Guillaume Graham: What is the key to Huaweis success? What is the biggest difficulty?
Ren Zhengfei: The key to success is to persevere in creating value for customers, so customers believe that we are facing such a harsh environment today, customers will buy our 5G, as can be proved. The U.S. government is the strongest in the world. Under such severe pressure, customers still need to buy our goods. This is the impact of our unswerving loyalty to customers and creating value for customers over the years.
What worries me most? Its just too successful. Employees are lazy. They dont want to go to hard jobs or hard areas. Now Trump is bringing us to life, and theyre turning to laziness.
13. Guillaume Graham: Can you describe what kind of system Hung Meng is? ?
Ren Zhengfei: We have thousands of circuit boards, which all need an operating system. Hongmeng Operating System is an operating system for definite delay system. The end-to-end processing delay of the system is accurate to 5 milliseconds or even lower milliseconds or sub-milliseconds. It is useful for automatic production of the Internet of Things to control only such a small delay. For example, the time delay of gear turning is several milliseconds, if it is not accurate, otherwise the gear will come, and the gear will not be able to occlude before it comes. We are an operating system for the interconnection of all things and the future of intelligent society.
Adian Gerneller: That is to say, if the Hongmeng operating system is released, it will be faster than the Android or Apple operating system, right?
Ren Zhengfei: No comparison. Be on the cards.
Adian Gennell: Is this a business argument?
Ren Zhengfei: This is a technical argument, not a commercial one. But compared with Apple and Android, our disadvantage is that we have no ecology, just a pure technical system to operate our telecommunications network.
Adian Gennell: There are two levels of problems in the United States and Huawei: first, the business level. The U.S. government wants to prevent Huawei from exporting technology and equipment to their countries. Second, the supplier level. European and American suppliers sell semiconductors to Huawei. If there are problems at these two levels, which one will have the greatest impact?
Ren Zhengfei: Firstly, the Hongmeng system is not used in mobile phones as you imagine. It is not intended to replace Google when making this system. If Googles high-end system is not open to Huawei, will Hongmeng shift some ecology? It is not yet fully defined.
Adian Gennell: Is that the spare tire plan (Plan B)?
Ren Zhengfei: No, we should have this system in order to run our network. This system was originally designed for the telecommunication network.
Second, the fact that the United States does not buy products or that some countries do not buy products has no impact on us. In the past 30 years, there have been many customers who did not buy our products. Now, after Mr. Trump gave us a lot of propaganda, the number of customers who bought our products has increased, because his propaganda has great influence and certain weight. When we say that we are good, some customers do not believe it, Trump said. When we were good, these customers believed in us instead.
As for some countries that do not sell us spare parts, both sides will suffer. Maybe our sales will decrease and they will sell less. Huawei is not a listed company. It doesnt matter if its performance slips, but if its financial statements are not good in July, its stock price will fall. So both sides have an impact.
14, Adian Gennell: Would Huawei want to alliance with some semiconductor manufacturers in Europe? Just now you mentioned one belt and one road. Is this an executable operation?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, for example, the number of devices we buy for Italian Semiconductor has increased.
Adian Gennell: If the friction with the United States continues, will it be in alliance with some European manufacturers?
Ren Zhengfei: Yes, buy more products from European manufacturers.
15, Guillaume Graham: I have an uncle who wants to buy Huaweis mobile phone. What do you think I should say to him? Do you want to buy it right away, or do you want to see the development of sanctions in the United States?
Ren Zhengfei: Dont wait. In terms of photographic function, Huawei mobile phone is the best in the world. We have quite a lot of functions that are unique to us.
16. Guillaume Ghaley: Just now, I said that Huawei wants to create an ecosystem. How long will it take for this system to be built?
Ren Zhengfei: It takes many years to do so.
Guillaume Ghaley: There are many strong software companies in China. Huawei can also make alliances with them. Its very frank to say that today. Are you worried about weakening the companys position?
Ren Zhengfei: I think our company will drop slightly from the high position in a short time, but after the center of gravity is low, we stand more steadily, the next step of climbing may be more vigorous, climbing higher.
17. Guillaume Graham: If France Electric or Bouygues Telecom wanted to sign a 5G contract, there would be no problem with equipment supply after signing it?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, that wont be a problem, and the 5G equipment we provide is the best in the world. There wont be any manufacturer in the world to catch up in two or three years. There will be no problem with supply. The companys production is still booming.
18. Adian Gerneller: Now some people think that European Union operators are not in a hurry to deploy 5G. Now it seems that the only profitable application of 5G is autopilot. Other applications seem to make little money. Is that right?
Ren Zhengfei: Thats not right. Why did Europe develop earlier than China? Its because of the railway and navigational capabilities hundreds of years ago. Because the transportation in China at that time was based on carriages, which were slower than trains and lighter than ships, Europe was the first industry to rise. Upgrading the speed of information transmission will also bring immeasurable economic growth. The speed of 5G is at least 10 times faster than that of 4G, which will promote the rapid development of economy and culture.
ADIAN GENELLER: Thats a partial government argument. Operators cant make money right away by investing their own money.
Ren Zhengfei: No. If we change to 5G and charge according to the current standard of 4G, the profitability of operators can be greatly increased.
Adian Gennell: Why?
Ren Zhengfei: Because the cost of 5G is only 1/10 of 4G per bit, and the energy consumption per bit is only 1/10. The speed of 5G is 10,000 times that of 2G under the same energy consumption. The advanced nature of any product should not mean high cost, but high value. After 5G application, you will know that the United States may be a backward country in the future.
19, Guillaume Graham: I visited Songshan Lake in Dongguan and found that you appreciate European architecture very much. Do you think Europe should speak with one voice in the field of telecommunications?
Ren Zhengfei: Let me first talk about the Songshan Lake Architecture, which was designed by Japanese architects. We didnt know it would be like this. The Japanese architect studied undergraduate, masters and doctors degree in the United States, but he cant speak English well. He can only paint. Songshan Lake is what he painted. Its a genius. Songshan Lake is not what we want to build, but what architects want to build. ?
20, Adian Gennell: Kissinger asked before, if you want to contact Europe, who should you call? Who do you think can represent Europe? When Europe speaks to the outside world, is it Marklong, Merkel or who can represent Europe?
Ren Zhengfei: Nobody needs to represent Europe, because every country has its own interests. If we stand on the point of view of its own interests and think about our own problems, we can reach a certain balance between more than twenty European countries. Therefore, it makes sense for EU headquarters to be located in Belgium. France represents Europe in Paris and Germany represents Europe in Berlin. Every country in Europe aims to pursue its own economic development, not to be the worlds hegemony, so Europe is a very worthy partner.
21, Guillaume Graham: You just said that European railways and navigation are very developed. Now many people think that Europe is lagging behind in this respect.
Ren Zhengfei: What Im talking about is why Europe rose more than 300 years ago, not why the railways in Europe are developed today. More than 300 years ago, Europe rose because of Railways and navigation, and China lagged behind because it still relied on carriages.
Guillaume Graham: Theres an AI scholar who says that Europe doesnt exist on the map of science and technology. Whats his opinion about that?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont think so. The genes of the Industrial Revolution are still in Europe. They are all pearls. Europe needs a line to string these pearls together and turn them into necklaces. If you take a thread to Africa, you cant wear a necklace. You have to take a spade to Africa to dig some minerals. Europe is still very strong in science and technology genetics. Mathematics is the basis of artificial intelligence. There are two countries with the most developed mathematics in the world: France and Russia.
Guillaume Graham: Although there are so many researchers in France, the problem is that no company has become a giant in the past 40 years, and Huawei, Google and Ali have all risen in the past 40 years. What do you think?
Ren Zhengfei: Genes are still there, but they can not be automatically transformed into combinations, which requires entrepreneurs and the government to propel them reasonably. Our companys production system uses software from Dassault, France. How can we say that Europe is not great? Its great. You go to see our production line and interview Dassault. How can Huawei buy your products and use them so well?
But Frances business environment has a drawback. Labor protection is so strong that entrepreneurs dare not employ people. If they cant form large-scale groups, they cant stand up in the world.
22, Adian Gennell: Is the conflict between Huawei and Trump technological or commercial?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know what Trump thinks. I guess it should be political. In communications technology, the United States has no 5G, no optical exchange, many things it does not have, there is no technology competition. In the telecommunications equipment industry, the United States and we do not have similar commodity companies, so there is no commodity competition. They beat us for no reason. They dont know what his purpose is. But objectively, it should have helped Ericsson and Nokia, that is to say, helped Europe. We are also very happy, as long as human use Ericsson, Nokia products, human beings have been served, but also my ideal, not necessarily our own service.
23. Guillaume Graham: Chinas main competitors, including Ericsson, Nokia and Samsung, are not American companies. What mistakes have Lucent and Nortel made in the past 15 years?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know what mistakes they made. I know we have made many mistakes. I am criticized every day. The Blues Department also put forward Ren Zhengfeis Ten Crimes on the company website. We are constantly correcting our mistakes.
Fortunately, Ericsson and Nokia can take on the 5G era of human beings in the world. We are happy. No country that excludes us will not be without 5G, so just as I appreciate Apple, I also appreciate Ericsson and Nokia. Strictly speaking, Ericsson and Nokia are our teachers. The switch was invented by Ericsson more than 100 years ago. Nokia used to be a rubber wood company. Last century, Nokia was the best mobile phone company in the world. They are all our teachers. We should respect our teachers.
24, Adian Gennelle: Does the black swans in the lake indicate that Trump is in trouble with us?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont like the black swans in the lake. I dont keep them. Because the black swan always eats the flowers and plants by the lake, I like the plants by the lake to be more flourishing. Its destructive to the garden. I dont like it. You can eat fish in the lake when you are hungry. Thats okay, but it always eats grass.
Adian Gennell: Theres a book about the Black Swan that was written before the financial crisis in 2007.
Ren Zhengfei: Because of this, I dont know who threw the black swans into the lake. They lay eggs and breed. We cant drive them away. In the future, we will know who put the black swan in the lake, grab him up and spank, eat our flowers and plants, and punish him to feed the leaves after lunch every day so that the black swan will not eat our flowers and plants.
25, Adian Gennell: An economist wrote a book before that China was the worlds largest economic power until the beginning of the nineteenth century. Do you think Chinas economic growth and development are just returning to normal?
Ren Zhengfei: In the past three or four decades, China has made great progress, but the quality of its development needs to be improved. It is not enough to make more contributions to mankind in the future. The countries ahead of us are Europe, Japan and the United States. Although Chinas GDP is relatively large, many of them are middle and low-end commodities, and the per capita GDP is still relatively small.
I know you have been to Guizhou, and you see that people in some remote areas are still relatively poor. The state calls for poverty alleviation, reduction of the number of poor people, and efforts by governments at all levels to improve and develop production. Only by improving poverty can ordinary people live and work in peace and contentment. The color revolution of American fantasy will not occur, because the people are getting richer, they will only think about the development of production.
Maybe you havent been to Tibet. I think the traffic in Tibet is better than that in Shenzhen. The infrastructure is beautifully built and the economy and peoples lives have improved significantly. I believe there will be no chaos in these areas. The state has made great efforts to solve the problem of the poor in China. This line is correct. On the contrary, the United States has failed to solve the problem of poor people, which used to be regarded as racial problem, saying that white people are rich and black people are poor, but not now. There are a large number of poor white people in the United States. In fact, the trade war and tariff increase have added a lot of economic burden to the American peoples consumer goods.
As you all know, the price of Chinas export commodities has fallen to the point where it cant be lowered any more. If it falls further, enterprises will go bankrupt. The United States will increase taxes. There will be no price reduction here. Taxes will be borne by the American people. If the United States cant solve the poverty problem of ordinary people in the United States, there will be some chaos in society. By contrast, the Chinese government is firmly committed to eradicating poverty, which is very correct.
26, Guillaume Graham: We see that Huawei has a very unique decentralized governance system. Do you think the system that can lift people out of poverty is socialist system or capitalist system?
Ren Zhengfei: In my opinion, Comrade Xiaoping designed the basis of the system in the course of open reform, socialism + market economy. Socialism talks about fairness, but this fairness was misunderstood as average in China in the past. Socialist fairness means more work and more gain, and those who contribute more will get more. For example, we two go to the dock to carry sacks, you carry three bags, I can only carry one bag when I get old, your income is three times that of me; you cant carry five bags, the physiological gap between people is limited; but the capital gap is not physiological constraints, you can have $10 billion, I only have $100,000, we They all make 10%, so you make a billion dollars, and I make 10,000 dollars. So the big gap between the rich and the poor is caused by capital leverage, not by labor.
Deng Xiaoping believes that Chinas basic system is socialism with more work and more gain, but it needs to follow the road of market economy. Market economy will have capital leverage. China should achieve a certain balance between capital and labor. Who will achieve this balance? Government, government to reform. When China began to reform from a very poor economic base, what did it change? Change the distribution of interests. When 1.3 billion people reform the distribution of interests, you can imagine how many conflicts there will be and how many conflicts of interests will erupt. China must have a strong government to control, so that the country will not be confused. Therefore, Deng Xiaoping adheres to the four basic principles of reform, openness and development, but there must be a strong government to control chaos. The central government has grasped the direction rhythm of reform, and the following government has changed too slowly, pinched too tightly and reached an impasse. Deng Xiaoping said, Be bold and move faster. Some reforms have gone too fast and contradictions have intensified. His four basic principles have been pinched again to slow you down. So, after 30 years, China has transitioned.
Whose money is the state capital? It is the peoples. How can the government give back to the people? Road repair, high-speed railways, highways, etc. Think about it. Can Tibet make money by building a high-speed railway? As capitalists, they will not invest. Chinas highways and high-speed railways have been vigorously built. This is because the state is promoting construction and the people have benefited from it, thus balancing the contradictions among different classes of people. The United States fantasized about a color revolution in China, but it was unsuccessful.
27, Adian Gennell: I think politics has a very important position in Huaweis business. Trump does not believe in China and its system, and China does not believe in the content reported by Western media. Will this cause the world to split?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont do politics, so I dont know. You can ask me technical questions.
28, Guillaume Graham: You just talked about education. What do you think children should be taught now? Is it general culture or mathematics or information technology?
Ren Zhengfei: There are several ways of education. Nordic education model has never been tested, children are happy to grow up, find what they like, find their own direction of development. Although the Nordic countries are small, except Ericsson, Nokia, ABB, Norwegian Petroleum... Besides, there are many big companies. Therefore, their education is also successful. Because the country is too big to know who is the best talent, China passes the first-level examination, which makes the children become rigid ducklings and the creativity is eliminated. The few who occasionally break through the clouds are geniuses.
Adian Gerneller: What would you recommend parents to teach, programming, mathematics, etc?
Ren Zhengfei: I think the most important thing is to let childrens nature play out. We dont know what is the best development of a childs nature. Therefore, a child needs to know his nature earlier and go to the right path of development earlier so that he can grow up effectively. In fact, parents dont know about children. For example, the ladys husband learned electronics, and he didnt know he was a painter until he was 50 years old. Later, you can go upstairs and see whether a painting donated by her husband to the company is a copy of Napoleons coronation at the Louvre or a copy he made shortly after he learned to draw. If he develops his talent from an early age, he may grow up to be a famous painter. Therefore, children must find their best direction of growth, along that direction, in order not to waste their energy.
Adian Gernelle: Its a little late for you to find your nature. Didnt you study architecture before? But you succeeded.
Ren Zhengfei: At that time, we were in the mountains and ditches. We didnt know what the world was like. No one gave us any advice, so we lacked the opportunity to discover our nature as soon as possible. Now that the Internet is so developed and children have so many contacts, their natural development should be fast. Therefore, the information society has a great impetus to the progress of human society.
Guillaume Graham: Are there any books of writers and philosophers that inspire you so much? Recommend it to us.
Ren Zhengfei: Everyone. Socrates, Plato, Confucius, Mencius and so many French philosophers.
Guillaume Graham: Do you have any special appreciation for inventors, scientists and creators?
Ren Zhengfei: Everyone appreciates it, no one does not fail to appreciate it. Whether invented big or small, they have made tremendous contributions to mankind. We can not use a balance to describe peoples contribution to society. Just like disaster relief, some people donated a lot of money, some old ladies only donated a dollar, which does not mean that those who donated a lot must be the greatest people, otherwise the world would not consider Mother Teresa the greatest person in the world. Therefore, the evaluation of scientists can not be casually used to weigh their value. Everyones contribution to this society is great. Of course, society sometimes forgot to give you a medal, you go home to take a radish carved by yourself, stick it on your chest, as long as you are happy, you have completed the contribution to mankind, completed the self-baptism of the heart.
29, Adian Gerneller: There are so many new technologies in our society, such as 5G, artificial intelligence, quantum computing. What are you most interested in?
Ren Zhengfei: Firstly, it mainly depends on how these technologies create value for the future of mankind; secondly, Huawei has limited capabilities and can not be interested in anything.
30 ADIAN GENELLER: Now Huaweis role in 5G is very important, and no company in the United States can compete with Huawei in this respect. Do you think its the moment when the United States found Russia ahead of it?
Ren Zhengfei: In fact, we discovered this problem in earlier years. The world only has three fulcrums to be balanced, if only China and Europe are not balanced. In the early days, we wanted to sell ourselves to Motorola, but they did not want it after they changed the chairman. Later, we wanted to buy Motorola, which was blocked by the U.S. government. In fact, the purpose is to form a triangle balance. Now there are only two points, which are unstable. Sooner or later, this contradiction will arise.
Adian Gennell: What are the two fulcrums?
Ren Zhengfei: China and Europe.
Adian Gennell: What do you mean by the fulcrum?
ADIAN GENELLER: Does the United States have to wait for them to develop new technologies to stop Huaweis technology?
Ren Zhengfei: The wheel of history is rolling forward, and no one can stop it.
Adian Gerneller: There is a tradition in Silicon Valley. After every change, there will be a new king of the world. Before IBM, then Microsoft, then Google and Facebook. After the new king of the world came to power, did you think Huawei became the master of the world for the first time?
Ren Zhengfei: Im not a lion. I want to hide in a corner like a rabbit. I cant hide now. I dont know what to do.
Adian Gennell: You dont look like a rabbit.
Ren Zhengfei: But I am less like a lion.
32, Guillaume Graham: Huawei was one of the first companies to enter Africa. How do you think the continent will develop in the future?
Ren Zhengfei: Africa and Latin America are the last two regions for human development. Most of the natural resources in Eurasia and Asia are almost exploited. The natural resources in Africa need to be exploited, so the next round of development should be in Africa.
33, Guillaume Graham: Do you have any special feelings for France? Do you have a favorite French architect?
Ren Zhengfei: The building of our Beijing exhibition hall was designed by French designer Xia Bangjie. It was also his last building.
Guillaume Graham: You often go to France. Do you like French wine?
Ren Zhengfei: I cant drink. But I like French mathematics. French Normal College is the worlds most powerful mathematics school. We will continue to invest more in France.
Guillaume Graham: What areas do you invest in?
Ren Zhengfei: Mainly in the R&D field.
Guillaume Graham: There are five research institutes in Huawei now in France?
Ren Zhengfei: It may increase and expand gradually.
Guillaume Graham: Now the French representative office has 1,000 employees. How many people are there in the future?
Ren Zhengfei: Im not sure about that, but the number of scientists will increase dramatically. Gradually moving towards artificial intelligence production mode, the increase of personnel will not be significant, but the exploration of new technologies in the future will be significantly increased.
34, Guillaume Graham: Some entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley say, I have a dream to change the world, and you always talk about the companys survival. Do you think they exaggerate their ideals or are you too modest?
Ren Zhengfei: Suppose we are only 25 years old and drink coffee together, I am also arrogant. Maybe one person came out and drew a model with napkins. Others talked about structure here and started a company together. Thats Intel. Silicon Valleys buzzing spirit is suitable for young people. Without enthusiasm and ideals, we cant succeed. When I was young, I should be no different from them. Now Im old, frustrated and have a bit of good manners.
Adian Gennelle: Did you think of that when you were in Guizhou?
Ren Zhengfei: No, how did you think of that? My dream in Guizhou is to escape the control of my parents and study in other provinces. When I heard that I could study in other provinces, I was very excited because I had never been outside the county gate. So I dont think the agitation of young people is a bad thing. They can gather energy with each other and maybe let one person light the fire. Those who light the fire hire others. Therefore, the spirit of Silicon Valley is worth promoting.
35, Guillaume Graham: Just said that in the era of artificial intelligence, there may not be so many people employed. Will everyone have a job in the next ten or twenty years?
Ren Zhengfei: Take an example. In the past, when designing sites in Africa, we had an engineer design up to four sites a day; now an engineer can design 1200 sites a day using artificial intelligence. I asked him why 1200 sites and he said the contract totals 1200 sites. The improvement of production efficiency is beneficial to human life.
Artificial intelligence needs only a small number of people to create wealth, but more wealth will feed more people. If some people think that they need to work, they have to study hard to get a job, which will also promote social progress. There should be a big difference between the income of the working people and that of the non-working people. You may have seen our production line, but there are almost no people.
Guillaume Graham: You may all want to work. What ways do you need to get everyone to work? Lifelong study or minimum wage?
Ren Zhengfei: Today everyones fear of AI is the same as that of textile machinery. When textile machinery appeared, everyone smashed it, which is the same reason. How to adapt to the new technology society in the future? I dont know. Youre talking about it.
Guillaume Graham: Is it a good solution if there are some restrictions on the application of AI?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know. Because now AI is mainly used to improve production efficiency, not to improve emotions.
Guillaume Graham: Do you think that robots can never replace some jobs?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, there are many jobs that artificial intelligence can not replace, such as drinking coffee, artificial intelligence is difficult to replace. When you are sick and groaning in bed, come in a robot, give you a shot and leave. Dont you feel cold? Still need a real person to have the emotional temperature, this is the experience.
36, Guillaume Graham: What kind of company do you think Huawei will be in 30 years?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know if Huawei will survive in three years, so I cant predict what will happen in 30 years. If we are still alive, I hope we will have another chance to interview in three years.
Guillaume Graham: If Trump was coming, would you open the door to welcome him?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, we can discuss how the world should be open, cooperative and win-win. Maybe he will change his way of thinking.
37, Guillaume Graham: Trump said Huawei was the enemy of the United States. How did you react to that?
Ren Zhengfei: First of all, Huawei creates happiness and prosperity for mankind. How can it become an enemy? In the past three decades, whether in Africa, or in endemic areas, war environments, natural disasters, including Japans nuclear leak, we have tried to stand on the front line to serve mankind. How can we become enemies? His definition is incorrect.
38, Guillaume Graham: What do you think Huawei aims at? To satisfy the employees, the government or the world?
Ren Zhengfei: We want to satisfy the society and the people, because our ultimate goal is to serve our customers. Who is the customer? 6.5 billion people may have more connections on the Internet of Things in the future. So our unswerving aim is to create value for our customers and satisfy the people.
39, Guillaume Graham: What are Huaweis plans for the future in France?
Ren Zhengfei: France is a country with a good investment environment. With mathematics as its center, France is the most developed region of science and technology in the world. This is closely related to Napoleons determination of founding a country of mathematics hundreds of years ago. The essence of AI is mathematics. We should increase the development of AI, and the investment in France will continue to strengthen and deepen.
Now we just have a preliminary understanding of the impact of artificial intelligence on us. Our mobile phone camera technology is currently the best in the world. In fact, it was designed by French mathematicians to synthesize images in a mathematical way. In the future, AI will develop in a broader field and attract more excellent mathematicians to join our company.
40, Guillaume Graham: Whats your favorite proverb?
Ren Zhengfei: Win-win cooperation.
Source of this article: PengMei News Responsible Editor: Gu Yunting_NBJS8499