1. Adian Gerneller: Please talk about your childhood, especially your experience in Guizhou. Now Huawei is a very beautiful modern company. I want to know what you used to be like.
Ren Zhengfei: From primary school to second grade in junior high school, I grew up in Zhenning County, Guizhou Province, which is a town where minorities gather. The customs and habits of ethnic minorities are very important tourist attractions today, but our living conditions there were very poor.
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, it must be living in poverty. But when we were young, we lived happily because we didnt know that French bread was delicious. I didnt leave that town when I was a child. I grew up in the area about 15 kilometers in diameter. There was no comparison. I dont know what happiness is. So we feel very happy.
Later, my father moved to Duyun, a small central town in an ethnic minority area. I lived there from junior three to senior three. In my eyes at that time, Duyun was a very modern city, because it had two-storey buildings. When our older sisters took us to a small department store, we saw two floors and thought it was great. Big sister knows more than we do, so I dont have an eye for jokes. How can I think that all of them are even big cities? Its just a little bigger than the town. Later, I went to college and left Guizhou. I have never worked or lived in Guizhou since then.
2. Adian Gennell: Did you think that you would be in a geopolitical war after all these years?
3. Guillaume Graham: Many people are interested in your previous experience in the army. What exactly do you do in the army?
4. Guillaume Graham: Your daughter is still in Canada. How does this affect you personally or Huawei?
Ren Zhengfei: Mengs late boat is not guilty. Canadas arrest procedure for her is inappropriate. However, we believe that Canada is a country ruled by law, and it will always be released if we give clear evidence. We waited patiently and went through legal procedures.
5. Adian Gennell: The background of this incident is that some European and American countries are very afraid of Chinas expansion. Do you think China is expanding?
I am not only touched by the struggle of European businessmen, but also infinitely worshipped when I see small churches in the primeval forests of Africa and the Sahara Desert. There were so many missionaries sailing across the sea in Europe. At that time, the tools for sailing across the sea were very simple, and it was a very small boat. Perhaps only a few per cent of them will survive when they reach the coast of Africa; they will suffer more casualties when they go to the virgin forests; and when he arrives at a small village, he will live there and build a chapel and preach there. After preaching, they will never go back. If they want to get out of the virgin forest and go to the sea again, they may die again. Without their centuries of cultural transmission, African languages (English, French, Portuguese) would not be universal, and it would be very difficult to develop Africa today. When Europe went to develop the world trade market and preached, they experienced more hardships than we do today.
Adian Gennell: Great. Missionaries brought guitars to this place and Chinese brought 5G to the world.
Ren Zhengfei: Thats the next step. At that time, musicians all over the world could play a song at the same time, because the delay was very small.
Ren Zhengfei: I cant sleep. I want to have breakfast. Our power structure is a system of delegated authority and central supervision. Let the people who can hear gunfire have the right to call for gunfire, and the cost of gunfire should be accounted for.
7. Adian Gennell: Now Westerners are more afraid of China. You say that China is not an expanding country. History also proves this. Do you understand Westernersnervous attitude when they talk about China?
Adian Gennell: Why do you think China is afraid of the United States?
Ren Zhengfei: Because the United States wants to dominate the world, Europe is politically pluralistic and not aggressive. Europe mainly wants to make money by doing business. China also wants to buy more European luxury goods. China welcomes Europe to make money, otherwise it will fly to Paris to buy things. Chinas constant tax cuts on luxury goods are to welcome European goods. And China and Europe are complementary economies, so China needs Europe and Europe needs China. If we use the one belt and one way connection, European goods will come to China, and Chinas goods will go to Europe. If the car goes halfway without oil, the Middle East and Central Asia will be the energy base to fuel our economy. In this way, from Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia to the Far East, it has become a large economic sector. If China forms a free trade area with Japan and South Korea, the total economic volume of this sector will be much larger than that of the United States. Then, it will be difficult for the United States to dominate the world, and it wants us not to unite.
Ren Zhengfei: What am I going to do with him? Its okay to see President Macron.
Ren Zhengfei: Then try it. Not only do we sign with French companies, but we also urge the Chinese government to sign with the French government.
10. Adian Gennell: This is capital. If the central government wants to give them information from routers and network devices, how can it refuse?
What we sell to our customers is a bare device, like tap and tap. The terminal is like tap, and the connecting device is like pipe. Whether water or oil flows inside is determined by information systems, and the network is controlled by operators, not by us. We cant get data. We dare to promise that there is no backdoor installed. We hope you will interview American companies and let them sign agreements with the French government as well.
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know.
Adian Gennell: What about Cisco?
Ren Zhengfei: What do I want this information for?
Guillaume Graham: Because 21st century information is like oil.
Ren Zhengfei: Oil is of no use to us. What we want is petrol, which can be bought at the gas station. Customers original information is useless to us. The information that is open on the Internet and in the society is valuable to us.
12. Guillaume Graham: What is the key to Huaweis success? What is the biggest difficulty?
What worries me most? Its just too successful. Employees are lazy. They dont want to go to hard jobs or hard areas. Now Trump is bringing us to life, and theyre turning to laziness.
13. Guillaume Graham: Can you describe what kind of system Hung Meng is?
Adian Gerneller: That is to say, if the Hongmeng operating system is released, it will be faster than the Android or Apple operating system, right?
Ren Zhengfei: No comparison. Be on the cards.
Ren Zhengfei: This is a technical argument, not a commercial one. But compared with Apple and Android, our disadvantage is that we have no ecology, just a pure technical system to operate our telecommunications network.
Ren Zhengfei: Firstly, the Hongmeng system is not used in mobile phones as you imagine. It is not intended to replace Google when making this system. If Googles high-end system is not open to Huawei, will Hongmeng shift some ecology? It is not yet fully defined.
Ren Zhengfei: No, we should have this system in order to run our network. This system was originally designed for the telecommunication network.
Second, the fact that the United States does not buy products or that some countries do not buy products has no impact on us. In the past 30 years, there have been many customers who did not buy our products. Now, after Mr. Trump gave us a lot of propaganda, the number of customers who bought our products has increased, because his propaganda has great influence and certain weight. When we say that we are good, some customers do not believe it, Trump said. When we were good, these customers believed in us instead.
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, for example, the number of devices we buy for Italian Semiconductor has increased.
Adian Gennell: If the friction with the United States continues, will it be in alliance with some European manufacturers?
Ren Zhengfei: Yes, buy more products from European manufacturers.
15. Guillaume Graham: I have an uncle who wants to buy Huaweis mobile phone. What do you think I should say to him? Do you want to buy it right away, or do you want to see the development of sanctions in the United States?
Ren Zhengfei: It takes many years to do so.
Ren Zhengfei: I think our company will drop slightly from the high position in a short time, but after the center of gravity is low, we stand more steadily, the next step of climbing may be more vigorous, climbing higher.
17. Guillaume Graham: If France Electric or Bouygues Telecom wanted to sign a 5G contract, there would be no problem with equipment supply after signing it?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, that wont be a problem, and the 5G equipment we provide is the best in the world. There wont be any manufacturer in the world to catch up in two or three years. There will be no problem with supply. The companys production is still booming.
Adian Gerneller: Now some people think that the operators of the European Union are not in a hurry to deploy 5G. Now it seems that the only profitable application of 5G is autopilot. Other applications seem to make little money. Is that right?
Ren Zhengfei: No. If we change to 5G and charge according to the current standard of 4G, the profitability of operators can be greatly increased.
Adian Gennell: Why?
Ren Zhengfei: Because the cost of 5G is only 1/10 of 4G per bit, and the energy consumption per bit is only 1/10. The speed of 5G is 10,000 times that of 2G under the same energy consumption. The advanced nature of any product should not mean high cost, but high value. After 5G application, you will know that the United States may be a backward country in the future.
Ren Zhengfei: Let me first talk about the Songshan Lake Architecture, which was designed by Japanese architects. We didnt know it would be like this. The Japanese architect studied undergraduate, masters and doctors degree in the United States, but he cant speak English well. He can only paint. Songshan Lake is what he painted. Its a genius. Songshan Lake is not what we want to build, but what architects want to build.
Ren Zhengfei: Nobody needs to represent Europe, because every country has its own interests. If we stand on the point of view of its own interests and think about our own problems, we can reach a certain balance between more than twenty European countries. Therefore, it makes sense for EU headquarters to be located in Belgium. France represents Europe in Paris and Germany represents Europe in Berlin. Every country in Europe aims to pursue its own economic development, not to be the worlds hegemony, so Europe is a very worthy partner.
21. Guillaume Graham: You just said that European railways and navigation are very developed. Now many people think that Europe is lagging behind in this respect.
Ren Zhengfei: What Im talking about is why Europe rose more than 300 years ago, not why the railways in Europe are developed today. More than 300 years ago, Europe rose because of Railways and navigation, and China lagged behind because it still relied on carriages.
Ren Zhengfei: I dont think so. The genes of the Industrial Revolution are still in Europe. They are all pearls. Europe needs a line to string these pearls together and turn them into necklaces. If you take a thread to Africa, you cant wear a necklace. You have to take a spade to Africa to dig some minerals. Europe is still very strong in science and technology genetics. Mathematics is the basis of artificial intelligence. There are two countries with the most developed mathematics in the world: France and Russia.
Guillaume Graham: Although there are so many researchers in France, the problem is that no company has become a giant in the past 40 years, and Huawei, Google and Ali have all risen in the past 40 years. What do you think?
22. Adian Gennell: Is the conflict between Huawei and Trump technological or commercial?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know what Trump thinks. I guess it should be political. In communications technology, the United States has no 5G, no optical exchange, many things it does not have, there is no technology competition. In the telecommunications equipment industry, the United States and we do not have similar commodity companies, so there is no commodity competition. They beat us for no reason. They dont know what his purpose is. But objectively, it should have helped Ericsson and Nokia, that is to say, helped Europe. We are also very happy, as long as human use Ericsson, Nokia products, human beings have been served, but also my ideal, not necessarily our own service.
23. Guillaume Gray: Chinas main competitors, including Ericsson, Nokia and Samsung, are not American companies. What mistakes have Lucent and Nortel made in the past 15 years?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know what mistakes they made. I know we have made many mistakes. I am criticized every day. The Blues Department also put forward Ren Zhengfeis Ten Crimes on the company website. We are constantly correcting our mistakes.
24. Adian Gennelle: Does the black swans in the lake indicate that Trump is in trouble with us?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont like the black swans in the lake. I dont keep them. Because the black swan always eats the flowers and plants by the lake, I like the plants by the lake to be more flourishing. Its destructive to the garden. I dont like it. You can eat fish in the lake when you are hungry. Thats okay, but it always eats grass.
Adian Gennell: Theres a book about the Black Swan that was written before the financial crisis in 2007.
Adian Gennell: An economist wrote a book before that China was the worlds largest economic power until the beginning of the nineteenth century. Do you think that Chinas economic growth and development are just returning to normal?
Maybe you havent been to Tibet. I think the traffic in Tibet is better than that in Shenzhen. The infrastructure is beautifully built and the economy and peoples lives have improved significantly. I believe there will be no chaos in these areas. The state has made great efforts to solve the problem of the poor in China. This line is correct. On the contrary, the United States has failed to solve the problem of poor people, which used to be regarded as racial problem, saying that white people are rich and black people are poor, but not now. There are a large number of poor white people in the United States. In fact, the trade war and tariff increase have added a lot of economic burden to the American peoples consumer goods.
As you all know, the price of Chinas export commodities has fallen to the point where it cant be lowered any more. If it falls further, enterprises will go bankrupt. The United States will increase taxes. There will be no price reduction here. Taxes will be borne by the American people. If the United States cant solve the poverty problem of ordinary people in the United States, there will be some chaos in society. By contrast, the Chinese government is firmly committed to eradicating poverty, which is very correct.
Ren Zhengfei: There are several ways of education. Nordic education model has never been tested, children are happy to grow up, find what they like, find their own direction of development. Although the Nordic countries are small, except Ericsson, Nokia, ABB, Norwegian Petroleum... Besides, there are many big companies. Therefore, their education is also successful. Because the country is too big to know who is the best talent, China passes the first-level examination, which makes the children become rigid ducklings and the creativity is eliminated. The few who occasionally break through the clouds are geniuses.
Ren Zhengfei: I think the most important thing is to let childrens nature play out. We dont know what is the best development of a childs nature. Therefore, a child needs to know his nature earlier and go to the right path of development earlier so that he can grow up effectively. In fact, parents dont know about children. For example, the ladys husband learned electronics, and he didnt know he was a painter until he was 50 years old. Later, you can go upstairs and see whether a painting donated by her husband to the company is a copy of Napoleons coronation at the Louvre or a copy he made shortly after he learned to draw. If he develops his talent from an early age, he may grow up to be a famous painter. Therefore, children must find their best direction of growth, along that direction, in order not to waste their energy.
Adian Gernelle: Its a little late for you to find your nature. Didnt you study architecture before? But you succeeded.
Ren Zhengfei: At that time, we were in the mountains and ditches. We didnt know what the world was like. No one gave us any advice, so we lacked the opportunity to discover our nature as soon as possible. Now that the Internet is so developed and children have so many contacts, their natural development should be fast. Therefore, the information society has a great impetus to the progress of human society.
Guillaume Graham: Are there any books of writers and philosophers that inspire you so much? Recommend it to us.
30. Adian Gerneller: Now Huaweis role in 5G is very important, and no company in the United States can compete with Huawei in this respect. Do you think this moment is just like when the United States found Russia ahead of it?
Ren Zhengfei: China and Europe.
Ren Zhengfei: But I am less like a lion.
32. Guillaume Graham: Huawei was one of the first companies to enter Africa. What do you think about the future development of the African continent?
Ren Zhengfei: Africa and Latin America are the last two regions for human development. Most of the natural resources in Eurasia and Asia are almost exploited. The natural resources in Africa need to be exploited, so the next round of development should be in Africa. ?
33. Guillaume Graham: Do you have any special feelings for France? Do you have a favorite French architect?
Ren Zhengfei: The building of our Beijing exhibition hall was designed by French designer Xia Bangjie. It was also his last building.
Ren Zhengfei: I cant drink. But I like French mathematics. French Normal College is the worlds most powerful mathematics school. We will continue to invest more in France.
Guillaume Graham: What areas do you invest in?
Guillaume Graham: There are five research institutes in Huawei now in France?
Ren Zhengfei: Im not sure about that, but the number of scientists will increase dramatically. Gradually moving towards artificial intelligence production mode, the increase of personnel will not be significant, but the exploration of new technologies in the future will be significantly increased.
Adian Gennelle: Did you think of that when you were in Guizhou?
Ren Zhengfei: No, how did you think of that? My dream in Guizhou is to escape the control of my parents and study in other provinces. When I heard that I could study in other provinces, I was very excited because I had never been outside the county gate. So I dont think the agitation of young people is a bad thing. They can gather energy with each other and maybe let one person light the fire. Those who light the fire hire others. Therefore, the spirit of Silicon Valley is worth promoting.
Ren Zhengfei: Take an example. In the past, when designing sites in Africa, we had an engineer design up to four sites a day; now an engineer can design 1200 sites a day using artificial intelligence. I asked him why 1200 sites and he said the contract totals 1200 sites. The improvement of production efficiency is beneficial to human life.
Guillaume Graham: You may all want to work. What ways do you need to get everyone to work? Lifelong study or minimum wage?
Guillaume Graham: Is it a good solution if there are some restrictions on the application of AI?
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know. Because now AI is mainly used to improve production efficiency, not to improve emotions.
Guillaume Graham: Do you think that robots can never replace some jobs?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, there are many jobs that artificial intelligence can not replace, such as drinking coffee, artificial intelligence is difficult to replace. When you are sick and groaning in bed, come in a robot, give you a shot and leave. Dont you feel cold? Still need a real person to have the emotional temperature, this is the experience.
Ren Zhengfei: I dont know if Huawei will survive in three years, so I cant predict what will happen in 30 years. If we are still alive, I hope we will have another chance to interview in three years.
Guillaume Graham: If Trump was coming, would you open the door to welcome him?
Ren Zhengfei: Of course, we can discuss how the world should be open, cooperative and win-win. Maybe he will change his way of thinking.
38. Guillaume Graham: What do you think is Huaweis goal? To satisfy the employees, the government or the world?
Ren Zhengfei: We want to satisfy the society and the people, because our ultimate goal is to serve our customers. Who is the customer? 6.5 billion people may have more connections on the Internet of Things in the future. So our unswerving aim is to create value for our customers and satisfy the people.
Ren Zhengfei: France is a country with a good investment environment. With mathematics as its center, France is the most developed region of science and technology in the world. This is closely related to Napoleons determination of founding a country of mathematics hundreds of years ago. The essence of AI is mathematics. We should increase the development of AI, and the investment in France will continue to strengthen and deepen.
40. Guillaume Graham: Whats your favorite proverb?
Source: Responsible Editor of Netease Science and Technology Report: Wang Fengzhi_NT2541