Can a car run with water? Young Car Pang Youth: Running a kilometer in a liter of water

 Can a car run with water? Young Car Pang Youth: Running a kilometer in a liter of water

Yesterday, the hydrogen production equipment on the prototype water hydrogen vehicle.

Yesterday, reporters saw a DC charging socket in the body of a prototype water-hydrogen car.

Yesterday, the reporter visited the Hydrogen Truck Production Workshop of Lotus New Energy Automobile Co., Ltd. in Nanyang High-tech Zone. A prototype of Hydrogen Truck was provided on the spot, which is a white van. A08-A09 Photography/Beijing News Reporter Li Yang

Can a car run with water? Nanyang Investment Invitation Project Questioned Tracking

Nanyangs investment attraction project car can run with water continues to attract attention. On May 25, Pang Youqing, chairman of the young automobile company involved, took a prototype car at the scene of Nanyang Youth Automobile Workshop. He said that 300 liters of water ran 300 kilometers, and the water source was not limited. Sea water and sewage could be added. He also said that technology was misinterpreted as adding water can run. The core of automobile operation was reactants and catalysts. New Beijing News reporters found that at this stage, Chinas hydrogen energy large-scale landing and market operation still need time.

New Beijing News May 25, the new Beijing News reporter visited Nanyang High-tech Zone Lotus New Energy Automobile Co., Ltd. Hydrogen Wagon Production Workshop. The company provided a white van water hydrogen vehicle prototype at the scene. Pang Youth, chairman of Youth Automobile Group, demonstrated adding water and driving experience. Faced with the controversy over the Internet, he responded that any new technology will be questioned. It also says that technology is worth tens of billions of dollars.

Pang Youth: One liter of water for one kilometer of sewage is also available

Pang Youth said that 300 liters of water run 300 kilometers, and there is no limit to the water added, sea water, sewage can be. He also said that even the winter snow does not matter, the next step will be to further optimize.

New Beijing News reporter saw at the scene that water first enters the conical tank above the vehicle, then flows into the two tanks at the lower position, and then gas enters the two cylindrical tanks. These two cylindrical tanks, one for filtration, the other for direct use of hydrogen. Pang explained that the conical tank was filled with reactants and catalysts, and water and reactants produced hydrogen under the action of catalysts, which was filtered into the cylindrical tank to produce hydrogen energy that could be used.

Pang Youqing said that the technology developed by the company is hydrolysis hydrogen production technology, which has been misinterpreted as water can run. Faced with the controversy over the Internet, he responded: Any new technology will be questioned.

At the scene, some staff will start the engine and hear the sound of water flow. Water will flow out of the black rubber hose on the lower left of the car. Pang said the outflow of water could be drinkable. But a few minutes after the vehicle started, there was still no water flowing out.

Visible DC charging socket for car body with harsh sound after start-up

Pang Youth, at the request of all, sat in the co-drivers seat of the prototype car. He said that he himself was the first time to ride in the car. After the vehicle started, it continued to make a harsh noise. Pang Youth said, It can be solved, its only a minor problem. The driver said he had driven the car many times and it was not much different from the usual day.

Reporters found a DC charging socket in the car body. Youth Automobile Group related technical personnel told reporters that all hydrogen-fueled vehicles, it is impossible to have no electricity at all, there is a very small buffer battery, because the motor voltage changes, hydrogen fuel reaction can not be so fast, need a battery transition.

Finally, the driver stopped after driving several hundred meters in the factory area. Journalists cant confirm whether the energy that powers cars is just water.

Pang Youqing said that the technology of hydrogen production from water was dominated by the companys R&D team, and also cooperated with researchers from Hubei University of Technology. At present, the project has applied for two patents, but the specific patent, he did not specify.

Pang Youth: At present, technology is worth tens of billions of dollars.

Pang Youth said that from 2014 to 2016, the company had financial problems, through the sale of assets and other ways to ensure research and development projects. Asked about the fact that employees in the company said they could not pay their salaries properly, Pang Youqing said, Executives have shares, not cant pay their salaries, but the salaries of employees are still paid as usual.

Pang said that due to the sale of the companys shares, previous problems such as funds have been gradually resolved. At present, the companys core technology, in his view, is also valuable, any evaluation company to assess, our technology is worth tens of billions of dollars. He said that the framework agreement between Youth Automobile and Nanyang City was signed. In the agreement, 4 billion yuan of investment in Nanyang City was not in place, and only 98 million registered funds were paid. Youth Automobile has invested tens of billions of dollars in Nanyang.

Aiming at whether he is classified as a dishonest executee and restricted consumer, and whether it affects his life, Pang Youth answered, Lets overcome it by ourselves.


Is VDC electric vehicle or hydrogen vehicle?

Zhang Luoping, a researcher at the Institute of Energy Internet Innovation, Tsinghua University, said, The introduction of young cars is one kind of hydrogen-powered vehicles. It is a combination of recharging of hydrogen-producing power generation and ordinary charging. Both types of recharging are available. The car has more than 20 kilowatt-hour electricity. For a 1-ton vehicle, it can drive about 150 kilometers. But if you add water and run 1000 kilometers, youll change your concept.

If water is electrolyzed, there is no need to go around in circles. First, electricity is converted into hydrogen, and then hydrogen is used to generate electricity, which consumes more energy. If the car is driven directly by batteries, it will run. Why convert it into hydrogen and lose energy? The core question is, where does the main energy that drives the car body come from? Zhang Luoping said.

With hydrogen as the main representative of fuel cell vehicles, Mirai of Toyota Motor Company in Japan is the best. According to public information, the working principle of Toyota Mirai is to transport hydrogen from air and high-pressure hydrogen storage tank to fuel reactor at the same time. They react in fuel cell reactor to generate electricity and water, which are supplied to motor-driven vehicles, and the water generated by the reaction is discharged out of the vehicle.

This principle is similar to the water-hydrogen fuel car of the youth car, but Pang Youqing did not point out the principle of hydrogen production in an interview yesterday, so the key is how the water added to the fuel car turns into hydrogen.

On May 24, one of the inventors of the patented technology for hydrogen production from water in Nanyang Hydrogen Engine incident, a teacher of Hubei University of Technology, who asked for anonymity, responded to the media that the patent had been granted exclusively to young automobiles, but only for use in Nanyang operation. According to the inventor, the term hydro-hydrogen engine is inaccurate, and should be on-board hydrolysis hydrogen production system, whose core is an aluminum-based alloy material which reacts with water for on-board hydrogen production.

Jiang Pu, director of Nanyang Bureau of Industry and Information Technology, said in an interview with the media that it is the same car whether it is developed or tested. It also needs continuous technological innovation to further transform and upgrade. At present, seeking truth from facts, it is a prototype.

Does Nanyang Municipal Government Participate in the Water Hydrogen Vehicle Project?

According to the information of Nanyang Industry and Information Technology Commission, on December 28, 2018, Jinhua Youth Automobile Hydrogen Energy Complete Vehicle Project in Nanyang High-tech Zone signed a contract. After the completion of the project, the output value will be 30 billion yuan. Pang Youth introduced the general situation of the project. The planned capacity of the project is 100,000 units per year and 300,000 new energy passenger cars per year. It is expected that the project will be completed and put into operation in 2020. The profit and tax will exceed 10 billion yuan, and more than 1,000 jobs will be added.

The initial investment of this project is 8.163 billion yuan, of which 4 billion yuan is invested by Nanyang government platform. However, this was denied by Nanyang Development and Reform Commission.

Yesterday, Qiao Changen, director of Nanyang Development and Reform Commission, said in an interview with the media that 4 billion yuan in support of youth automobiles does not exist. In view of the credit stains of Pang Youth and their enterprises, Nanyang is seeking industrial restructuring and technological innovation.


Behind the Water Hydrogen Vehicle, there is no large-scale hydrogen production project of electrolytic water in China.

As a clean energy, hydrogen energy has many advantages, such as high energy density, high calorific value of combustion, wide sources, zero pollution, zero carbon emissions and so on. It is widely known as the ultimate energy in the 21st century. In recent years, hydrogen energy and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles have gradually become a new focus of energy development in China.

New Beijing News reporter combed the history and problems of hydrogen energy development in recent years in China. It can be seen that large-scale landing and market operation of hydrogen energy still need time.

Plans for hydrogen energy development have been issued at all levels

In 2006, the State Council put forward in the Outline of the National Medium and Long Term Science and Technology Development Plan (2006-2020). Hydrogen, as an ideal energy carrier, can be obtained from various sources, which will bring new changes to clean energy utilization. At the same time, hydrogen energy and fuel cell technology are listed as one of the advanced energy technologies.

In 2014, Hydrogen and Fuel Cells as one of the strategic directions of energy science and technology innovation was included in the Energy Development Strategic Action Plan (2014-2020) issued by the State Council.

In 2016, the Blue Paper on Infrastructure Development of Chinas Hydrogen Industry (2016), published by the China Institute of Standardization and the National Hydrogen Standardization Technical Committee, put forward that by 2020, the number of hydrogenation stations will reach 100, the number of fuel cell vehicles will reach 10,000, and the total output value of the industry will reach 300 billion yuan. In the same year, the National Strategic Emerging Industries Development Plan of the 13th Five-Year Plan issued by the State Council also included the systematic promotion of fuel cell research and development and industrialization.

In September 2018, Xu Qiaoqian, deputy director of the Department of High-tech Development and Industrialization of the Ministry of Science and Technology, said at the 2008 China Automotive Industry Development (Teda) International Forum that during the 14th Five-Year Plan period, the focus will be on the key core technologies of vehicle hydrogen fuel cells, as well as the research and development of core technologies such as hydrogen production, hydrogen storage and hydrogenation.

The government work report of 2019 points out that promoting the construction of charging, hydrogenation and other facilities, which is also the first time that hydrogen can be written into the government work report.

At the provincial level, at present, Shanghai, Beijing, Sichuan and Guangdong provinces have put forward their own development plans for hydrogen energy and hydrogen-fueled vehicles.

In addition, more than 50 enterprises, scientific research institutes and investment institutions, including more than 10 state-owned enterprises such as National Energy Group, Dongfang Electric Group and Three Gorges Group, established the China Hydrogen Energy and Fuel Cell Industry Innovation Strategic Alliance in early 2018 to promote hydrogen energy and fuel cells.

Hydrogen production process not green enough

The hydrogen energy industry chain includes hydrogen production, hydrogen storage and transportation and hydrogen energy application, among which the cleanliness of hydrogen production is the most questionable.

At present, the main hydrogen production methods in China include hydrogen production from fossil energy (petroleum cracking, water gas method, etc.), hydrogen production from chemical raw materials (methanol cracking, ethanol cracking, liquid ammonia cracking etc.), by-product hydrogen from chlor-alkali industry, hydrogen production from electrolytic water and biomass hydrogen production.

Among them, hydrogen production from fossil energy is the mainstream at present. Zhang Fudong, deputy director of the Institute of New Energy, China Petroleum Exploration and Development Research Institute, said that about 95-96% of hydrogen production in China comes from fossil fuels. According to Xiong Huawen, deputy director of the Energy Research Institute of the Reform Commission, and Fu Guanyun, an assistant researcher, supported by Finance and Economics, an average of 6-8 tons of coal is needed to produce 1 ton of hydrogen, and about 15-20 tons of carbon dioxide is discharged. In addition, a large number of high-salt wastewater and industrial waste residue will be produced.

According to the data of the Energy Research Institute of the Development and Reform Commission, it takes about 5-5.5 kWh of electricity to produce 1 cubic metre of hydrogen. If low-valley electricity is used to produce hydrogen (electricity price is 0.25 yuan per kilowatt-hour) and fixed cost (about 0.5 yuan per cubic metre) other than electricity cost, the comprehensive cost of hydrogen production will be at least 1.7 yuan per cubic metre.

Therefore, hydrogen production from electrolytic water has been slow to popularize. As the worlds largest hydrogen producer, Chinas hydrogen production capacity exceeds 20 million tons per year, of which less than 1% is produced by electrolytic water, a researcher from the Energy Research Institute of the Development and Reform Commission told Beijing News.

In order to reduce the pollution in the process of hydrogen production, the researchers said that centralized hydrogen production can help to centralize the treatment of pollution and alleviate environmental pollution to a certain extent.

Difficulty in landing hydrogen industry

According to the World Hydrogen Energy Association, hydrogen vehicles will account for 20% to 25% of the global total by 2050. By then, 20% of global carbon dioxide emission reduction will depend on hydrogen energy, which will create 30 million jobs and reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 6 billion tons.

Specifically, on May 24, Wang Ju, deputy secretary-general of China Automobile Engineering Society, said at the outcome conference of the Pujiang Innovation Forum in 2019 that 41 vehicle manufacturers had participated in the production and manufacture of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in the Chinese market so far. There were 25 hydrogen stations in operation and 45 hydrogen stations under construction in the market. Only the related investment and planning capital of the hydrogen fuel cell industry in 2018 was available. Gold has exceeded 85 billion yuan.

However, Wang Dejun, founder of Beijing Zhongdian Fengye Technology Development Co., Ltd., told Xinjing Daily that no project has been put into operation for large-scale hydrogen production from renewable energy electrolysis water. Renewable energy, such as hydrogen production, energy storage, power generation and utilization, is the most ideal way to utilize hydrogen energy with zero pollution, but this cycle is still not easy to achieve.

One of the reasons is the cost problem mentioned above. Yang Yuanlin, a senior executive of a fuel cell automobile company, told the Beijing News that the hydrogen fuel cell system of automobiles requires high quality hydrogen, which is usually made from electrolytic water. In the case of high cost of hydrogen production from electrolytic water, it is difficult for enterprises to recover the cost.

Therefore, due to the high cost, more enterprises choose to use alkaline electrolytic water to produce hydrogen at this stage, that is, adding a small amount of potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide in the water to improve the conductivity. In principle, the electrolysis process does not consume alkaline substances and is clean, Wang added.

Yang Yuanlin said that although many provinces and municipalities have put forward plans for hydrogen energy development, not all places have immediately defined the corresponding centralized management units, approval process, subsidy standards and other supporting details. Wang Dejun said that as an energy source, hydrogen energy involves many industries and various stakeholders, and needs better communication and coordination.

Planning of Hydrogen Energy and Hydrogen Fuel Cells at Some Provinces

September 2017 Shanghai

Shanghai Fuel Cell Vehicle Development Plan

December 2017 Beijing

Guidance on Accelerating Scientific and Technological Innovation and Cultivating New Energy Intelligent Automobile Industry in Beijing

August 2018, Guangdong

Following the publication of Opinions on Accelerating Innovative Development of New Energy Automobile Industry in June, a work programme for the development of hydrogen fuel cell automobile industry was introduced (draft for comments).

September-October 2018 Shandong

Notice on Publishing and Issuing the Development Plan of Shandong New Energy Industry (2018-2028) and Development Plan of Shandong High-end Equipment Manufacturing Industry (2018-2025)

October 2018 Tianjin

Tianjin New Energy Industry Development Three-year Action Plan (2018-2020)

November 2018, Henan

Henan New Energy and Networked Automobile Development Three-Year Action Plan (2018-2020)

January 2019, Zhejiang

Zhejiang Auto Industry High Quality Development Action Plan (2019-2022)

March 2019 Hainan

Hainan Clean Energy Vehicle Development Plan

April 2019, Shanxi

Shanxi New Energy Automobile Industry 2019 Action Plan